engine colour

KEVINABR · Post by **KEVINABR** » Sun Dec 24, 2006 7:21 pm

Hi to all and most probably been listed before but can anyone tell me the factory colour that my cckw 270 motor would have been ??????????
i know ancilleries would have been black!!!!! many thanks...
kevin

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 9:42 am

I believe it is gloss OD. Merry Christmas

John V Cliche · Post by **John V Cliche** » Mon Dec 25, 2006 12:03 pm

Hi Kevin
You can find high temp engine enamals here in the states at;
Bill Hirsch www.hirschauto.com Bill's own brand
TP Tools www.tptools.com POR15 brand
In my opinion the "Austin Healy Green " is an exact match to the gloss olive green GMC used. However tints do vary.
I have used Hirsh paints on all my resto engines and the stuff is great to work with and has lasted well so far. It is a high solids paint, and therefore not cheap

I don't know of any suppliers "across the pond " but I'm sure you could certainly locate the "Austin Healy" green there

Hope this helps
John

KEVINABR · Post by **KEVINABR** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 5:57 am

Many thanks AD & John people have told me all sorts from od to grey etc but gloss od it will be

kevin

John V Cliche · Post by **John V Cliche** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:21 pm

Hi Kevin
The OD or Gray may not be completly wrong either.
The Factory color was Gloss Olive Green but heat and time would have "dulled " the finish
Joel Gopan had previously posted that some gov't rebuilds would have been gray , I have a spare 270 that was removed from a DUKW and that has remnants of gray paint on it as well.
I am unsure if the DUKWs had engine compartments painted gray or white, similar to armor
The "crate" engines I have seen are black but I suspect they are Norway returns, my split frame is a Norway return and it has a black engine also,as well as most of the under carrige.
Hope this helps
John

KEVINABR · Post by **KEVINABR** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 12:57 pm

Hi John
thanks for info, my engine is light grey colour so i think i'll try to match that when i take it out in the new year....
kevin

oldreliable9_47 · Post by **oldreliable9_47** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 6:29 pm

this is a decent picture of a engine taken from a Bolster Truck I purchased the engine from Kevin Kronlund of armycarsusa. Did not appear to be repainted but one never knows. Anywho...gives you a idea of the color

John V Cliche · Post by **John V Cliche** » Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:29 pm

Wow nice shelving!!!
Is this your shop Mark

You're well organized.

John

KEVINABR · Post by **KEVINABR** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 6:57 am

Thanks guys nice picture

oldreliable9_47 · Post by **oldreliable9_47** » Wed Dec 27, 2006 2:38 pm

John V Cliche wrote:Wow nice shelving!!!
Is this your shop Mark You're well organized.

John

Not my shelving...wish it were

that was taken where I found the engine.

Minnie · Post by **Minnie** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 1:46 pm

As far as I know and been told:
Glossy OD color close to "English racing green" was the orginal GMC engine color used on both comercial and military engines.
As far as i know, this color was used until 45/46. This color was also applied on the clutch bellhousing, but not on the gearbox.

Engines rebuilt by Norwegian army was painted light gray.
(Norwegian rebulilt Drive train components was painted black)

Other NATO countries, or user of CCKW's may have used other colors such ac black, and darker shades of gray.

Regards

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 3:53 pm

Thanks for that great insight into the post war painting of the trucks Minnie. That is excellent info.

oldreliable9_47 · Post by **oldreliable9_47** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:27 pm

Minnie and all.... I can say the rebuilt engine I have is light grey and has a Ergma rebuild tag attached to it.

What exactly does Ergma stand for? European _____manufacturing?

I'd sway towards Wet Olive or any gloss OD color for the engine..

Minnie · Post by **Minnie** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 4:06 pm

Unknown to me.
But take in consideration that all NATO countries, including Austrailia. Austria, and Israel, used the CCKW. Therefore most armies did their own rebulid and probably there will be many tags of commercial firms and different army ordnance corps logos pinned to the CCKW engines...

Regards

KEVINABR · Post by **KEVINABR** » Fri Feb 02, 2007 12:38 pm

MANY THANKS GUYS JUST NEED GOOD WEATHER TO GET STARTED

thierryb · Post by **thierryb** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 8:19 am

ERGMA could be a french tag. If so you should find the name of a french city on the tag...
I often saw ERM tags on trucks what means "Etablissement Regional du Materiel", a sort of french military ordonance plant. So ERGMA could be a local plant where they rebuilt engines some years ago. Many Dodge WC and GMC have been rebuilt in France in the 60s and 70s...

Thierry.

Miner Matt · Post by **Miner Matt** » Fri Feb 09, 2007 1:00 pm

A friend of mine has a can of nos wet olive.
It says on the label GMC engine paint.It is from 1942.
It would take a lot of thiner to use it.It's hard as a rock!!

oldreliable9_47 · Post by **oldreliable9_47** » Sat Feb 10, 2007 6:36 pm

I would have that can of NOS paint copied ! If he would I would like to be the first to have the numbers to have some made at my local paint store.

Miner Matt · Post by **Miner Matt** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:06 am

The only number he can find on the can is 108 hope this helps.

oldreliable9_47 · Post by **oldreliable9_47** » Sun Feb 11, 2007 9:40 am

Thanks but I doubt that # would do any good. I would think he could take the can of paint or a picec of the dry paint to a automotive paint shop and let them scan and analyze the paint to match the color.

good luck!

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