How do I get the brake shoe return spring back on?

[SpookyDad]

Ok I am at a loss. I am rebuilding the brake drums. The wheel cylinder is rebuilt, sandblasted and painted. I have new shoes, hose and spring. Everything has gone back together fine until I get to hooking up the brake spring. I bought a pair of brake return spring pliers but they just don't seem to be up to the task. It also may be the operator is not up to the task.

Is there a trick to getting that spring back on?

SpookyDad

[dr deuce]

OK,

1st you need to understand that some brake tools will not work. The hook on the end may be too small (weak) or too big.

2nd you need to understand that it pointy end will have to dig into the shoe material. The trick is to get it to dig in directly in line with the pull of the spring.

Once you get the spring started. try to have something to hold the spring from popping back out as you carefully unhook the pointy end from the shoe material and twist the tool to unhook it from the spring.

MAKE SURE YOU PUSH THE SPRING ALL THE WAY INTO THE HOLE IN THE SHOE. WHERE YOU LEAVE IT WHEN YOU REMOVE THE TOOL IS NOT ALL THE WAY IN.

[Cat Man]

Neil,

If you have the correct brake spring plier, Dr. D is correct.

Here is another option. We have fabricated a small tool from a piece of 3/16 rod in the shape of a sort of "fish hook" about 4 inches long. I'd show a photo except mine is on loan (again) for another collector.

A small "C" clamp or small "Vice Grip" pliers on the backing plate forms an anchor post to pry against. Use a long puch or roll head pry bar thru the "eye" of the fabricated hook tool to pull the brake spring over the anchor hole and then push the brake spring hook end into the anchor hole and release the pry bar. The fabricated tool can then be "unhooked" from the brake spring.

I've used them for years and have fabricated them for friends. Looks crude but it actually is a pretty neat little tool.

Here is a rough sketch (apoligies to my 11th grade drafting teacher)



Cat Man

[SpookyDad]

Cat Man

Did you produce that drawing in AutoCAD?

I am pretty sure I know what you are describing. I used to do some blacksmithing so a little tool like that should be no problem. I will have a go at making one in the morning.

Thanks for the advice.

Dr. Deuce, I will try your method second, as I don't think the brake spring pliers I have are for these sized drums.

Neil

[Chris_M]

I had the same problem last year. But after some trying I found a way to do this even without the help of another person or special tools. All you need is a ordinary clamp, a large flat head screwdriver and a hammer. First press the cylinder caps all together with the clamp. Make sure you have the shortest distance for the return springs endings to snap in. Hang one end of the spring in the hole at the brake shoe. Now place the screw drivers flat end under the other hook. Push with strong force towards the other brakes shoes hole until the hook snaps in. It will not snap in completely as your screw driver blade is still underneath. remove the screwdriver. The spring hook has enough place to remain at the hole. Now take the hammer and make the hook snap in completely. That's it. It worked very well this way.

Regards,

Chris

[dr deuce]

With any of these measures, there is a LOT of tension on the spring, so BE CAREFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[awg]

when I did it, I just used 2 large screwdrivers. ( or files)

one wedged into the backing plate

the other into the spring end

lever one against the other to stretch the spring.

this is the simplest method i could devise and worked very easily.

I had no problems at all and it took a few seconds.

I did all wheels, so I know it works

I do endorse Dr D, in that a lot of force is needed.

If there is any "slip off" could be dangerous.

wear protective gloves, eye/face cover, and long thick trousers

[robc]

I have just been overhauling brake cylinders on the rear axles of my CCKW, split axles with demountable drums, the way I removed and fitted return springs was as follows:

Out of a small piece of angle iron approx approx size 1/2" x 1/2" x 18".

Cut off approx 3/4" from one end leaving a flat part, tapered down by grinding, using small round file, filed 'C' in flat, this lets spring locate here.

By knocking flat part between return spring and brake shoe then using hub as a pivot point by pulling angle, this easily removes brake spring.

Fitting spring is reverse procedure, you can hold shoes in place by wrapping round masking tape.

Will try and take pictures and post on forum.

Robc.

[SpookyDad]

I made a little tool for doing it. It is crude but it works. With a little design refinement it will be a good tool for next time. One is reinstalled 3 to go.

Neil