New lead photo

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 7:44 am

I really like the new lead photo. That is one good looking early 352 there. Good choice.

mmoore · Post by **mmoore** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 9:46 am

I agree, she is a beauty, I'am guessing 41 or 42, with the guard logo and the BO light mounted on top of the guard, can someone give some info on the MG mount? as to when they started mounting them?

Karoshi · Post by **Karoshi** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 1:47 pm

Hi MMORE, yes thatÃ¢â‚¬â„¢s a fine specimen.

ArnÃ¢â‚¬â„¢t they just lovely, especially with the M37 ring mount? If this vehicle had had a wooden body the correct mount would have been the M37A1.

The scuttle mounted rear-view mirror suggests a date after May '41, and the circular cut-out in the roof confirms the cab as a 1609 style. During production 1 in 4 vehicles was fitted with the 1609 cab (50 cal) and the remainder had the 'standard' 1608 cab without the roof hatch.

Around Aug '42 closed cabs were phased out and the 1619 (canvas) cab was introduced, this changeover being complete by about spring of '43.

Karoshi

mmoore · Post by **mmoore** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 4:55 pm

Karoshi, are you saying that the MG mount is wrong? and if that bed was the wood one, didn't that wood bed come out late in the war? if so, the bed would have been wrong for the truck, I'am just asking, to help my acknowledgment of the cckw. I have a ccw that I bought just for parts and the owner was a farmer who said it was a 44, but she is the LWB and steel cab, to bad it's nearly shot. but it must be a 42 or at least a 43, do you agree?

Bill_Wolf · Post by **Bill_Wolf** » Tue Oct 04, 2005 5:21 pm

There is a member of this board who's father was the owner of the Montpelier Manufacturing Company who designed and built the Wood beds for the CCKW.

Hopefully he will chime in with some info.

I would also love to post up some engineering plans on the web-site....Hint...Hint...

Bill

Ledog · Post by **Ledog** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:21 am

For me this is the best combination for a CCKW.

352 + closed cab + winch + .50 mount + steel bed.

This one is beautifull

I like this one too (unfortunately the picture is not very good)

And if you have time to waste, this is a link to a web gallery with pictures of a French evenement with many HMV's

http://niceday.mypicgallery.com (the first 3 gallery named "Souchez2005")

armydriver · Post by **armydriver** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:01 am

I like them all, steel or wooden bed. Just remember guys, 1943 to early 44 wooden boxes were the norm, not the steel ones.
Also, as previously stated, we love to put machine guns on a vehicle that was designed as a cargo truck and not an offensive vehicle. These machine guns were meant for anti-aircraft use and not all trucks had them.
I feel sure Jim will post more information on the wooden boxes. Frankly they very attractive and scarce in the U.S. as compared to the steel boxes.
It could be that a lot of the bedless trucks found for sale once had wooden beds and they have rotted away. If you find a 43 CCKW or Chevy, then look at replicating the wooden bed on the truck. Easy to do.

Karoshi · Post by **Karoshi** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:34 pm

mmoore wrote:Karoshi, are you saying that the MG mount is wrong? ?

mmore, sorry I didn't express myself very well. The ring mount shown IS correct for the model, an M37. What I wanted to highlight was that the M37 ring mount came in FOUR flavours.

IF the 352 had had a wood box, (yes I agree it would make it later) the type of M37 mount fitted would have been the M37A1 model.

IF the CCKW were the 353 version (LWB) and still had a wood box a model M37A2 would be correct.

IF the CCKW was a tanker a model M37A3 would be correct.

Now before you ask, I DON'T KNOW the actual differences in detail.

To confuse the issue completely IF your new (spares) 353, steel cab, steel box, was fitted with a mount it should have been the M32 model!

Canvas cabs of course all had the M36 mount,when fitted.

Hope this makes better sense,

Karoshi

Matt · Post by **Matt** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:51 pm

Hi mmoore,

If your truck is a CCW with an un-driven front axle the CCW production runs were small and quite well documented,they are a rare truck.

Matt.

mmoore · Post by **mmoore** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:10 am

Matt. yea I figured that the CCW was rare, to bad it's in the shape it's in, I found the truck sitting along a fence row and ask the farmer if I could buy the front bumper (no winch) and the bush guard, he said no he didn't want to sell anything off the truck, so I had to buy the whole thing. it had a farm bed on it, which I gave away, and the cab is pretty much shot. I use it for picture back drops..makes my cckw look goood...

The GMC CCKW

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